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Agincourt's odds may have been far closer than legend says

On this day · 25 October 1415
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Agincourt's odds may have been far closer than legend says

Pay and muster records suggest about 9,000 English faced roughly 12,000 French on 25 October 1415, not five to one, and the archers' 'V sign' is probably a modern myth.

Verified · University of Southampton Special Collections

At the Battle of Agincourt on 25 October 1415, Henry V’s English army may have faced odds of about four to three, not the five to one of popular legend. Historian Anne Curry’s analysis of the surviving pay and muster records suggests roughly 8,500 to 9,000 English against about 12,000 French, though other historians still put the French higher.

The result is not in doubt. Henry was intercepted near Azincourt as he headed home after a siege. French men-at-arms advanced across about 1,000 yards of muddy open ground between two woods, which stopped them spreading out, and they were cut down. Much of what people “know” about the day, though, comes from Shakespeare’s Henry V of 1599 rather than from records. Curry and her Southampton colleagues have tested the best-known claims:

Popular claimWhat the records show
The French outnumbered the English five to oneAbout 12,000 French against 8,500 to 9,000 English
Henry’s army was mostly WelshMuster rolls name about 500 Welsh archers
About 1,500 foreign ships carried the army overExchequer issue rolls point to about 700, mainly English
English archers invented the two-finger “V” signNo record from the time; probably a 20th-century myth

Curry argues that the larger French totals are out of scale for any medieval army and that so many troops would not have fitted on the battlefield. She concedes the figures are controversial, because people are attached to the idea of a vast French host.

Other details shift as well. About 100 ransom contracts studied by her colleague Rémy Ambühl show that men from across French society, not just knights, were held for ransom. That complicates the familiar story of the prisoners massacred late in the battle: if it happened, it did not spare the great at the expense of the humble.

Victory did not end the war. Henry raised another large army in 1416 and won the Treaty of Troyes in 1420, but he died in 1422, leaving an infant heir, and the Hundred Years’ War ended with England losing almost all its French lands.

~9,000
English, per the records
~12,000
French, per the records
500
Welsh archers named

Sources & references

3 references

Well-established. Corroborated by 3 independent sources.

1 University of Southampton Special Collections University archive (Broadlands Archives) In her previous research, Anne has suggested that the English had 8,500 troops and the French had around 12,000. southampton.ac.uk ↗
2 Research Excellence Framework (REF) Impact Case Studies research assessment database Administrative records showed that the discrepancy in size between the French and English army was much less than commonly believed, indicating that the French army was about 12,000 strong and the English army 9,000. impact.ref.ac.uk ↗
3 HISTORY media The battlefield lay on 1,000 yards of open ground between two woods, which prevented large-scale maneuvers and thus worked to Henry’s advantage. history.com ↗
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